ok, it's time.
we've had opportunity to observe the 8 gb members speaking ability.
now it's our turn to give our honest ratings...using their own form, of course!
n.t./ qld./ n.s.w./ vict.
/ commonwealth to provide redress scheme will offer psychological counselling a direct personal response from the responsible institution and a monetary payment.. n.s.w.
introduces referral legislation may 1 2018 in preparation for the commencement of the national redress scheme .. the national redress scheme will start on 01 july 2018 subject to passage of legislation..
Good news flash Smiddy3! This is primarily fantastic results for all survivors, and their families. The knock-on benefit is hitting WTBT$ where it hurts them - their bank accounts.
2017 wtbts financial statement irelandhttps://we.tl/f55k8sawsmatlantis!.
Are they becoming mainstream? They now have a Relief Fund!
Wait...sorry, that relief fund contains just £26 (of the £1m+ funds total - the rest is for building the real estate property empire). Still, £26 would buy 13 cups of coffee for the homeless. It's a start, bless 'em...
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-and-religion/260116/unorthodox-podcast-episode-133-rachel-simmons-linda-curtis-jehovahs-witness.
fast forward podcast to 42:30 where linda's interview begins.... new york times writer mark oppenheimer interviews linda curtis, whose memoir shunned: how i lost my religion and found myself, chronicles her decision to leave her close-knit jehovah’s witness community, which ultimately led to her being formally shunned by the religion.
linda tells us about life as a jehovah’s witness, why she left, and why she has no animosity toward the community—and family—that shunned her.
Fast forward podcast to 42:30 where Linda's interview begins...
New York Times writer Mark Oppenheimer interviews Linda Curtis, whose memoir Shunned: How I Lost My Religion and Found Myself, chronicles her decision to leave her close-knit Jehovah’s Witness community, which ultimately led to her being formally shunned by the religion. Linda tells us about life as a Jehovah’s Witness, why she left, and why she has no animosity toward the community—and family—that shunned her. Her story begins when she is on the house-to-house ministry and knocks on the door of her co-worker...and begins to "hear" her own voice...
Linda Curtis is an executive consultant, speaker, and mindfulness teacher who lives in the San Francisco Bay Area. Since 2003 she has consulted with hundreds of successful entrepreneurs, leaders, C-suite executives, and their teams. Her client list includes MasterCard, RSF Social Finance, NASDAQ, and KPMG. She serves on the core faculty of the Search Inside Yourself Leadership Institute (SIYLI.org), the groundbreaking mindfulness and emotional intelligence program developed at Google. She teaches their Search Inside Yourself course around the world at organizations including Google, Red Bull, L’Oreal, Vanderbilt University, Genentech, and LinkedIn.
i am in the process of writing to parliament about the practice of shunning by jehovah's witnesses.
what i need to clarify if the practice is 'specifically' mentioned in any of the books used for bible study/ recruitment leading up to baptism?.
i would be grateful if anyone could clarify this in case i get my facts wrong when writing my letter..
Upon being approved to become a Publisher© an individual is provided with the Organized book and told to read it. By the time they qualify for baptism they should have had ample opportunity to familiarize themselves with it's contents, such as the following section on Disfellowshipping aka. "Shunning - it's what we do :-)"
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102014944#h=35:0-39:395
Hi JustMe2. There are many, many, many quotes in the 10 year build up to '75; it would take you your entire weekend to chew through them all. However, the "classics" are bite-size. For your own research I'll list a few classic 1975 quotes for you to look up:
First off, if any PIMI JWs regurgitate last year's convention propaganda - "it was just a few rogue JWs" - then, I would ask: If Watchtower did not fan the flames, then why did Watchtower apologise for doing so?
Yes, due to dwindling number - people leaving after 1975 - they eventually printed this reluctant apology:
Admission of responsibility:
w80 3/15 17 par.5 "With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting—in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man’s existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated."
So, here's some of those "statements published" that the above apology is referring to...
The book that planted the seed for 1975:
"The published timetable resulting from this independent study gives the date of man's creation as 4026 B.C.E. According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man's creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E. So six thousand years of man's existence on earth will soon be up, yes, within this generation. So in not many years within our own generation we are reaching what Jehovah God could view as the seventh day of man's existence. How appropriate it would be for Jehovah God to make of this coming seventh period of a thousand years a sabbath period of rest and release, a great Jubilee sabbath for the proclaiming of liberty throughout the earth to all its inhabitants! This would be most timely for mankind. It would also be most fitting on God's part, for, remember, mankind has yet ahead of it what the last book of the Holy Bible speaks of as the reign of Jesus Christ over earth for a thousand years, the millennial reign of Christ. It would not be by mere chance or accident but would be according to the loving purpose of Jehovah God for the reign of Jesus Christ, the 'Lord of the Sabbath,' to run parallel with the seventh millennium of man's existence." Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God (1966) pp.26-30
Here's the infamous chart on page 35 of that book:
km 3/68 4 (insert) "Just think, brothers, there are only about ninety months left before 6,000 years of man's existence on earth is completed. Do you remember what we learned at the assemblies last summer? The majority of people living today will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks out, and there are no resurrection hopes for those that are destroyed then."
w68 5/1 272 par.7 "Within a few years at most the final parts of Bible prophecy relative to these “last days” will undergo fulfillment, resulting in the liberation of surviving mankind into Christ’s glorious 1,000-year reign."
Words of caution? If Jesus' words of "nobody knows" sprang to mind, how should we reason?
w68 8/15 500 par. 35 Why Are You Looking Forward to 1975? "This is not the time to be toying with the words of Jesus that “concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matt. 24:36) "
Same article, par.30, admitted that Autumn 1975 was not an exact calculation. But regarding possible adjustments it stated "It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years"
g69 5/22 15 “If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.”
w70 5/1 273 par. 5 "Bible chronology which indicates that Adam was created in the fall of the year 4026 B.C.E. would bring us down to the year 1975 C.E. as the date marking 6,000 years of human history with yet 1,000 years to come for Christ’s Kingdom rule. So whatever the date for the end of this system, it is clear that the time left is reduced, with only approximately six years left until the end of 6,000 years of human history. (1 Cor. 7:29) This corroborates the understanding of Jesus’ words that the generation alive in 1914 with the outbreak of World War I would not pass away until the end comes."
g71 8/10 27 - diagram showing Christ's Millennial Reign to BEGIN in 1975 (after 6000 years of man)
km 5/74 3 (insert) "Yes, since the summer of 1973 there have been new peaks in pioneers every month. Now there are 20,394 regular and special pioneers in the United States, an all-time peak. That is 5,190 more than there were in February 1973! A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end."
Now some homework for you: see if you can find a record album cover with a woman reading this 1975-hype magazine...
I hope that you don't waste too much of your weekend looking those up, but maybe it will help you to avoid being taken in by the Watchtower propaganda that "1975 was just a few hippies making too much of things"...
calling all who are still "in": i need your help!.
i’m putting together a damming video with evidence of jehovah’s witnesses “organizing” the collection of data in field service – data about when people were not at home, if a child answered the door and so on.
since a leaked letter dated 2-aug-2017, where elders were instructed to destroy all house-to-house records and not tell publishers how to collect data about people not-at-home, we know that the practise has continued.. how you can help.
Calling all who are still "in": I need your help!
I’m putting together a damming video with evidence of Jehovah’s Witnesses “organizing” the collection of data in Field Service – data about when people were not at home, if a child answered the door and so on. Since a leaked letter dated 2-Aug-2017, where elders were instructed to destroy all house-to-house records and not tell publishers how to collect data about people not-at-home, we know that the practise has continued.
How you can help
I need video footage of a “Group Overseer” or “Group Assistant”, or even just a brother who’s “organizing” field service. For example, he could be seen collecting notes from publishers containing lists of “not-at-homes” or giving such lists to publishers. If you send in such footage – just PM me here – I will ensure that your identity is protected by:
Your clip will need to have been recorded after 2-Aug-2017, which is when Jehovah’s Witnesses began to claim that their public witnessing work is purely the result of “individuals” (it’s not organized by the branch or by the local congregation), who “personally and privately” have chosen to call at a specific address.
See what you can do on your mobile phone, with the camera "accidentally" on record...
ok with the push for more personal data to be held by watchtower.. what if... they one day came out and said great news brothers and sisters.
we are soon to be launching jw internet.
you can soon cancel your service provider and sign up to ours.
Is this anything to do with this beta ISP service from Google? https://archive.google.com/tisp/install.html
here's a link to a common form that publishers are required to fill in if they want to participate in city cart witnessing:.
https://1drv.ms/b/s!amcrvjcxi6m6agpvwzog5pxfxja.
note on the reverse of the form comments that elders write, and a box to rate your "spirituality"!
Hi Incognito. Yes, upon believing that my initial post was not working (queued), I waited until the next day before trying again...during which time I found an even more sensitive form, hence the modified post.
Thanks for bearing with me. I am a newbie, who did not understand the unique "queuing" process on this forum. A rookie mistake, from which I have learnt!
